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How to re-glue interior panels?
Posted: May 12th, 2020, 6:39 am
by FatBuoy
Tracking down rattles, still. I found a major one displayed in the photo. It's the side wall panel in the corner above the stove that has come separated from the corner molding. When hitting bumps it rattles pretty loudly. I highlighted the area in red. Any suggestions for reattaching it? Some sort of glue or caulk, perhaps? I don't want to just lay a big bead there, if possible. I don't think I can access it from the backside, so that I could press it after squirting a little glue in there, if that makes sense. Maybe remove the molding and re-glue the whole piece? Just don't want to start ripping stuff apart if it's going to end up badly.
Re: How to re-glue interior panels?
Posted: May 12th, 2020, 7:55 am
by chin_k
Oh, it looks like the wood trims are used to hide the staples or used to actually hold the panel up. See if that is the case, and you may have to pry the woods trim off, and redo the panels. Sorry, I can't be much help here.
Re: How to re-glue interior panels?
Posted: May 12th, 2020, 8:54 am
by FatBuoy
chin_k wrote: May 12th, 2020, 7:55 am
Oh, it looks like the wood trims are used to hide the staples or used to actually hold the panel up. See if that is the case, and you may have to pry the woods trim off, and redo the panels. Sorry, I can't be much help here.
Thanks Chin! You are always right there for us. So, are you saying the vertical wood trim is not stock, but an add-on?
Re: How to re-glue interior panels?
Posted: May 12th, 2020, 9:36 am
by Scott
That trim is likely stock. It's probably fastened to the wall on the right with either tiny finish nails or staples. There's a "stud" in that corner, but it's behind the right side panel (refrigerator side). The section you highlighted in red is not backed by anything in that vertical junction. You can probably push it in with little force to see what I mean. That's your rattle. That panel is 1/8" plywood. It's a tough one to remedy, unfortunately. Since the trim should be secured fairly well to the right side wall, I suppose you could use an adhesive to bond the back panel to the trim. I wouldn't use caulk. I'd use glue. Arranging a clamping solution could be tough as well, but there's always a way. Also, glue and wallpaper aren't very good friends. I have a few ideas, but they're pretty involved.... So if the rattle is driving you nuts, you could stuff tiny pieces of foam in between the panel and trim just to make it shut up for now.
I've been through several of the walls in my Premier, and believe me, you don't want to start taking things apart unless you're ready for a big job. It unravels quickly.
Also, it's worth mentioning that these rigs are not all built identically. Even within the same model and year, there are variations among individual units.
Good luck.
PS - I know where you're coming from. Rattles drive me completely crazy. The stereo is frequently the easiest solution.
Re: How to re-glue interior panels?
Posted: May 12th, 2020, 9:53 am
by SMan
Some of the trim on my Premier is held in place by 3m double stick tape. I was surprised to find it on the trim behind the sink.
There is some access from the fridge compartment outside to the stove area on my rig if I am understanding you correctly.
Being a carpenter by trade I like, and have used, finish screws in a few places to tighten and/or re-attach loose trim. Not to noticeable and hold better than a brad if there is backing.
Re: How to re-glue interior panels?
Posted: May 12th, 2020, 10:53 am
by 72 NOOK
Hello, Are you sure it is not the stove or hood making noise? Your rig is probably to new to have a regular oven but I wrap my oven racks with towels and have hold downs for the cook top grates. If I didn't they would make a racket. Just a thought.
Re: How to re-glue interior panels?
Posted: May 12th, 2020, 11:19 am
by FatBuoy
Scott wrote: May 12th, 2020, 9:36 am
That trim is likely stock. It's probably fastened to the wall on the right with either tiny finish nails or staples. There's a "stud" in that corner, but it's behind the right side panel (refrigerator side). The section you highlighted in red is not backed by anything in that vertical junction. You can probably push it in with little force to see what I mean. That's your rattle. That panel is 1/8" plywood. It's a tough one to remedy, unfortunately. Since the trim should be secured fairly well to the right side wall, I suppose you could use an adhesive to bond the back panel to the trim. I wouldn't use caulk. I'd use glue. Arranging a clamping solution could be tough as well, but there's always a way. Also, glue and wallpaper aren't very good friends. I have a few ideas, but they're pretty involved.... So if the rattle is driving you nuts, you could stuff tiny pieces of foam in between the panel and trim just to make it shut up for now.
I've been through several of the walls in my Premier, and believe me, you don't want to start taking things apart unless you're ready for a big job. It unravels quickly.
Also, it's worth mentioning that these rigs are not all built identically. Even within the same model and year, there are variations among individual units.
Good luck.
PS - I know where you're coming from. Rattles drive me completely crazy. The stereo is frequently the easiest solution.
Haha! Yep, the stereo helps for sure. Thanks for the help. Maybe I could use a thin strip of glue and some sort of suction cup to pull it back until it dries.
SMan wrote: May 12th, 2020, 9:53 am
Some of the trim on my Premier is held in place by 3m double stick tape. I was surprised to find it on the trim behind the sink.
There is some access from the fridge compartment outside to the stove area on my rig if I am understanding you correctly.
Being a carpenter by trade I like, and have used, finish screws in a few places to tighten and/or re-attach loose trim. Not to noticeable and hold better than a brad if there is backing.
Good to know on the fridge. If that ever dies, I'll probably replace it with the larger double door one, then fix the rattle correctly. But, I'm certainly not hoping for this to happen.
72 NOOK wrote: May 12th, 2020, 10:53 am
Hello, Are you sure it is not the stove or hood making noise? Your rig is probably to new to have a regular oven but I wrap my oven racks with towels and have hold downs for the cook top grates. If I didn't they would make a racket. Just a thought.
Yep, I'm sure Nook. I rode back there last night with whiskey, scissors and adhesive foam! Wife had fun trying to tip me over while I was in precarious positions listening for rattle locations.
But I did find all of the racks on the stove and microwave once I got back from the long trip home with it over the weekend. That would have eliminated a lot of it! All good, though. You have blinders on when you first meet. : )
Re: How to re-glue interior panels?
Posted: May 12th, 2020, 12:37 pm
by caconcourse
It sounds like there is some play between the panel and the trim, which is causing the rattle? Try inserting a small nail with your fingers (not a hammer) between the trim and the panel to push the panel back and open up the crack. If the rattle goes away while the panel is being pushed back, that is the cause. The nail should open the joint enough to allow you to fill the crack with caulk. When the caulk is dry pull out the nail and the panel should compress the caulk and not rattle. Make sure the trim piece is securely fastened before you start. If it is loose, you can add a brad or finishing nail to secure it in place.
Re: How to re-glue interior panels?
Posted: May 13th, 2020, 8:36 am
by Scott
SMan wrote: May 12th, 2020, 9:53 am
Some of the trim on my Premier is held in place by 3m double stick tape. I was surprised to find it on the trim behind the sink.
That actually makes sense. They can throw it together without tools, they don't have to worry about missing the backing member, it'll stick to anything (almost), its' fast, easy, and there are no visible fasteners. But I would guess that removal/cleanup could potentially be a PITA

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SMan wrote: May 12th, 2020, 9:53 amBeing a carpenter by trade I like, and have used, finish screws in a few places to tighten and/or re-attach loose trim. Not to noticeable and hold better than a brad if there is backing.
That also makes sense. Good idea. Do you drill a through hole in the trim, then thread into the backing so it pulls tight? Or do you just drill them right in? Any issues with splitting?
Re: How to re-glue interior panels?
Posted: May 13th, 2020, 12:21 pm
by SMan
Scott wrote: May 13th, 2020, 8:36 am
That also makes sense. Good idea. Do you drill a through hole in the trim, then thread into the backing so it pulls tight? Or do you just drill them right in? Any issues with splitting?
I always drill a pilot hole. (I have the maple trim and it would split easily otherwise). Never had a split.